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Q. I'm getting rainbows on my 2024 bare T-3 sheets. Some get it some don't. I cannot figure out how to control the process where I don't get rainbow effect. Also, is the rainbow effect detrimental to prime adhesion? If you have any experience with this please let me know.
Bryan M
[last name deleted for privacy by Editor]
- san diego, California
A. Rainbows sometimes appears if you have a high pH in your sealing tank. But only (as I know of)when sealing dark colors. I have had this problem when sealing deep black MLW (10 g/l), bronze 2LW (3 g/l) the alloy was 6063-T6.
Martin Dehlin
- Sweden
A. Rainbow (or iridescence) on clear anodize is sometimes due to thin coating thickness. A coating thickness check on rainbow vs.non-rainbow should tell you if you're heading in the right direction.If it is coating thickness differences, there are many possible causes. Verify first, then we'll discuss further later.
Victor Waldman
- Naugatuck, Connecticut
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Q. We are facing problem of double refraction leading to rainbow defect after bright anodizing reflector grade Aluminum Alloys. Request help in knowing the reasons for such a defect & how to avoid such defects.
Shankar Nayak K. M.
Hindalco Industries Limited, Taloja - Navi Mumbai, Maharashtra, India
A. Shankar
Check your coating thickness. My guess is that you do not want a very thick coating, but by going to the other extreme, you could be getting the rainbow.
The only time I have seen rainbow on parts is when they lost contact early in the anodize process, and had almost no coating.
Willie Alexander
- Colorado Springs, Colorado
Q. We do the anodizing process for cosmetic industry and our Chinese factories are having problems; producing pieces with a rainbow effect in the color anodizing and often in plain silver color anodizing. We are looking for help to resolve.
Sandrine Desiderato
A. Hi, Sandrine.
Although it is difficult to troubleshoot from many miles away, rainbow 'iridescence' is a phenomenon that is sought in such fields as carnival glass and the anodizing of titanium jewelry, and it is achieved by applying a transparent/translucent coating of partial wavelength thickness. In such cases, part of the light bounces off the outer surface of the coating, and part bounces off the inner surface, and it interferes, canceling out some wavelengths.
So two possible explanations include:
1). The anodizing is very thin, only partial wavelength thickness.
2). Somewhere in the post-anodizing steps, an oily film has been deposited.
If you can attach some photos someone may recognize the situation. Good luck.
Regards,
Ted Mooney
, P.E.
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
A. Current/voltage and anodizing solutions being proper, there could be two possible reasons.
The jigging of the parts is probably causing them to loosen during the process and hence get improper electrical contact resulting in poor anodizing.
The time for anodizing is insufficient. Increasing the time could give better results.
Hope this helps.
Winston D'Souza
- Bombay, India
A. Make sure the temperature of your tank is within the range.
Muhammad Umair Khan
- Lahore, Pakistan
A. I think that the original post wanted to have a rainbow effect. That is normally a result of a very thin anodize which will not take color very well For dye and probably the same for two step.
James Watts
- Navarre, Florida
Here is what I learned on anodizing.org:
Why do aluminum parts I send to be black anodized sometimes come back with a purple hue, and how can this be avoided?
The purple hue is an iridescent color--the result of a very thin film on the surface of the black anodized part. Other iridescent colors can be produced, and can appear even on clear anodized parts, but are most evident on black anodizing. An analogy is a black asphalt road after rain. A droplet of oil causes iridescent rings that are quite apparent on black asphalt but can hardly be seen on a light-colored concrete road.
There are a number of possible causes of the film. One is sealing smut. Hot water sealing blocks the pores of the anodic coating, thus improving its weathering resistance, reducing its adsorptive properties, and sealing in any pigment. However, some sealing product forms on the outer surface of the anodic coating. This is sealing smut. It consists of very small, needle-like crystals of aluminum hydroxide. They act as a thin film that can generate iridescent colors. Anti-smut additives for sealing baths are available, which minimize the problem. The formation of smut can be favored by high pH. The bath chemistry should be controlled as recommended by the supplier of the sealing additive. Alternatively, the smut can be wiped off. Before the invention of anti-smut additives, people used to wipe down parts with lanolin in white spirit. This temporarily masks the smut as much as it removes it. Manual removal is time-consuming and can be hard work.
Anodizing under conditions that are too aggressive can lead to iridescent effects. In particular, if the bath temperature is too high, the surface region of the porous anodic coating (the part of the coating that was first formed during anodizing) can be dissolved in the acid solution to the extent that it is very much more porous. This is called a "soft" coating. In general, anodizing at over 75 °F for more than 45 minutes can produce a soft coating. A simple abrasion test to detect a soft coating is described in British Standard
BS 6161-18:1991
.Sandrine Desiderato
[returning]
- Woodland Park, New Jersey, USA
Multiple threads merged: please forgive chronology errors :-)
Q. We are experiencing a rainbow sheen on 6061 alloy parts that we are anodizing. The parts receive 1 mil of anodize in a ambient temperature anodize tank. They then receive 5 minutes in the black dye, which upon pulling out of the dye look extremely black. However, when we seal them in DI hot water they come out still black but with a purplish, rainbow sheen on them.
We have tried sealing at 190 °F and 200 °F, both created the same effect. We have tried sealing for 30 and 45 minutes, both had the same effect. The pH was measured to be 7.8 but I'm afraid to adulterate the DI water with acid.
Any ideas on how to get rid of the rainbow effect?
Justin Brooks
- Davenport, Iowa, USA
A. For a dyed anodize, you'll want to use a nickel acetate type seal. I would not use a DI seal, as eventually you'll be leaching your dyestuff into the seal. If you insist on using a DI seal, you'll want to lower the ph to around 5.5-6.0 using acetic acid [on eBay or Amazon]. Even at that pH range, you'll still have a seal smut problem (which is what I think you are seeing now with the "rainbow"), which would be eliminated if you used a nickel acetate bath.
Marc Green
anodizer - Boise, Idaho
A. Did you MEASURE "1 MIL" thick or did you merely specify 1 mil. Low thickness with most black dyes comes out with a blue-purple shade. You did not say what the seal was so: (1) if mere hot water -you cannot seal colors with only water - the dye will bleed, and (2) pH 7.8 is too high for either hot water sealing or nickel acetate sealing - the oxide is partially stripped at that pH and temperature. Go back and drop the pH of the seal to 6.0 and see if the purple goes away, then switch to a nickel acetate seal to prevent any dye from bleeding.
Robert H Probert
Robert H Probert Technical Services
Garner, North Carolina
Thank you for your responses.
The plan is to switch to a nickel acetate sealer, it is just slow going getting there. As far as the 1 mil, it was a measured 1 mil. We will lower the pH of the DI water with acetic and see what we come up with.
Upon further investigation, when we run 6061 vs 7075 same procedure and same thickness, we only get the sheen on the 6061 parts.
Thanks!
Justin Brooks
[returning]
- Davenport, Iowa USA
Q. I have some parts that were anodized by a supplier. The appearance in one area has a "rainbow" appearance on the surface.
This part and the area will be primered and painted. Will this possible issue affect the integrity of the anodize?
David Torres
quality inspection aerospace - Huntington Beach California
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A. Hi David. Rainbow coloration -- whether it be on a puddle of water, or in carnival glass, or on anodized aluminum -- is almost always actually due to a transparent or translucent film which is so thin and variable in thickness that light bouncing off the top of the film and the bottom of the film "interferes", causing the various colors. It is possible that the film is a dye-smut "oil" on top of the anodizing, or that the film is the anodizing itself being too thin in that area. I think it's easily checked with an eddy current thickness tester. Good luck.
Regards,
Ted Mooney
, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
Q. Sir, I am facing problem on alloy 6063 having rainbow shades on it. What are the reasons for rainbow shades and what are the ways to control it?
nawaz sharif
- lahore Punjab Pakistan
A. Hi cousin Nawaz. We appended your inquiry to a thread which discusses the possibilities in good detail. Most likely, either the anodizing is extremely thin due to a bad connection or other issue, or an "oil film" from a dye smut or other post-anodizing tank has been deposited onto the parts. Good luck, and forward a photo of the problem to if you can.
Regards,
Ted Mooney
, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
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finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
Q. We have this 6061-t651 part for Hard clear Anodizing with Hot DI Water Seal for 160 mins.
But we are getting rainbow surface and white patches after the treatment.
Any suggestion how to prevent this? We appreciate your feedbacks. Thank you.
Yma Bonao
- Jurong, Singapore
Q. Hi - I do want the rainbow effect to stay!
I am an artist. Do any of you have experience? Will it stay for years to come ?
excited artist in Norway anne katrine
Anne Katrine Dolven
artist dolven - Bostad, Norway
Q. Why rainbow color is observed on Aluminium anodized profile with colonel 3175 as coating, after it is exposed to heavy rain?
Asif Sange
- India
Q. Hello, I am new to the anodizing process. The trouble I keep having is a purple film on both the cathode and part being anodized. I am using aluminum sheets for the cathode. Amps are low, around 1 amp. Your help or ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you
Karima Taylor
Hobbyist - Los Angeles, California
A. Hi Karima,
My first guess is that it's just a partial-wavelength interference film as discussed on this thread. But the same film on anode and cathode sounds a bit strange. Are you sure your power supply is okay? BTW, giving the amperage without the area of the part doesn't help much, since we can't determine the current density without the area :-)
Luck and Regards,
Ted Mooney
, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
Q. In our anodizing process we are experiencing rainbow colored smut/leaching of the dye after sealing. Has anyone experienced this issue and what is the best way to solve it.
Neville Frankson
Process Technician - South Africa
A. Rainbow major cause is low micron and loose jigging or loose tying of parts. Just make sure your parts are tightly held is anodising process or try to increase the micron with help of increasing current density or time in anodising tank.
Hope it serves.
Sumit Lodha
N M Coating - Ahmednagar Maharashtra India
A. Neville
Your rainbow appearance might be from localized overheating, typically a result of inadequate anodize solution agitation.
Willie Alexander
- Green Mountain Falls, Colorado
A. Check/measure your coating thickness after anodizing. First reason for rainbow appearance after anodizing: low micron thickness (under 4).
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akpa aluminium - TURKEY,sakarya
Q. In an attempt to get the least amount of clarity loss on brushed aluminum 6060 I've tried anodizing for just 5 min. at 10 ASF and 5 min. at 5 ASF
Longer would always make the parts lose their beautiful fine brushed titanium appearance, turning too light grey and dull.
The rainbow effect only seems to be show unpleasantly under artificial light, in daylight it doesn't seem visible at all.
Parts are used for car interior accessories and should only be protected just enough to prevent minor scratching and fingerprints/stains.
Does this make sense and if the parts are optically looking good (in exposed daylight which is most important) and provide enough protection should I have nothing to worry about or is the rainbow glow reason for worrying either way?
Frits Prummel
Small business owner, automotive interior parts. - Assen, Drenthe, The Netherlands
A. Hi Frits. What actually causes rainbow coloration, whether it be carnival glass, an oil-slick on a puddle of water, a DVD-ROM, anodized titanium, or your anodized aluminum, is a very thin (partial wavelength) transparent or translucent coating. Incident light reflects off the outside of the coating and off the substrate (or some would say the inside of the coating) and, since one path is longer than the other, the two reflections are out of phase and interfere, augmenting one wavelength (color) and attenuating another.
The coating which is causing the interference can be either a very thin anodized film, or a film of oil. In your case it is apparently a thin anodizing layer rather than an oil.
Potential solutions which may or may not be inapplicable for you include using a different alloy which produces a clearer anodized layer so that you can go thicker; with slight simplification, the purer the aluminum and the finer the grain, the thicker you can go. Electropolishing or chemical polishing (bright dipping) may allow a thicker anodized coating without dulling than buffing.
Hopefully a reader can relate anecdotes of rainbow coloration being a problem or not being a problem in your industry. Sorry, I can't offer any assurance about that myself and it seems that there will always be at least one customer who will complain :-)
Regards,
Ted Mooney
, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
Q. Thanks Ted for your reply.
I was under the impression 6060 would be very suitable.
Better options are not easy to come by in my region at an acceptable price.
However I can't think of one that should give significant better results?
I will try to extend anodizing time (or raise the ASF) up to the point where the rainbow glow isn't occurring and see if the clarity is still at an acceptable level.
Is there in theory a best way of practice to achieve this in regards of more time with less ASF or less time with higher ASF?
Thanks again for your help.
Frits Prummel
[returning]
Small business owner, automotive interior parts. - Assen, Drenthe, The Netherlands
A. Hi Frits. Type 6xxx aluminum is generally quite acceptable for anodizing. But when we want the anodized layer to be as transparent as possible, for reflectors and mirrors for example, very pure 1xxx aluminum is better. 5 to 10 minutes of anodizing at 5 to 10 ASF is not uncommon for such applications, but I don't have any personal experience regarding whether, for example, 5 minutes at 10 ASF or 10 minutes at 5 ASF is better for your requirement.
Regards,
Ted Mooney
, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
Q. Hello
I want to get a Rainbow finish on an Aluminium Base. This can be done on Titanium based on my research, but not on Aluminium. Does anyone know how to do this?
Deepu Panicker
- Delhi, India
A. Hi Deepu. This thread, plus four or five others on this site, explain what generates the rainbow, but generally discuss the rainbow look on anodized aluminum more as a defect more than as something sought after. However, I would think that if you mirror polish the aluminum and then apply a very thin anodizing or clearcoat, you may be able to achieve a rainbow finish that pleases you.
I doubt, though, that it will ever be as impressive as a titanium rainbow finish because titanium is a harder metal with a more consistent oxide film.
Regards,
Ted Mooney
, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
Q. Thank you Mr. Ted. We will try this out.
We are looking to do it as a colour option for a consumer product made in Aluminium, hence it is a desired effect for us.
Is it feasible to deposit Nickel onto Aluminium and then depositing Titanium to the Nickel to give it an even better rainbow appearance?
Best,
Deepu
Deepu Panicker
Consumer Products in Grooming - Delhi, India
A. Hi Deepu. Although it's possible, it may not be practical or cost competitive depending on what the article is, its size, thickness of material, etc., because color anodizing of titanium is very easy and low cost.
Why try to imitate titanium with aluminum? Have you considered multicolor anodizing (beuatiful examples on Thread 48706), "splash anodizing", or other decorative aluminum effects?
Regards,
Ted Mooney
, P.E. RET
Striving to live Aloha
finishing.com - Pine Beach, New Jersey
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